Everyone knows that Tremulous is going down hill because fable 2 is going to come out before Tremulous 2 and thats real said because fable 2 suppose to come out in 2008 but everyknows its coming out in 2010 and just to make you happy heres a nice big FAIL for yea... I miss him too khalsa

wow.... slow down....
Poor munroe He's going to die reading this...
Edit it before he murders you

Killjoy  What the hell was that man.

Even this is a nice example. Here, people joke about things, even like Killjoy's post. At Trem.net, he'd probably be met with an OMFG or a PHAIL or something similar.

ZOMFG U PHAIL LOLOLOL!!!11111
J/k

The community died because of people like caveman. New people post because they want some advice. People who don't take kindly to new people automatically attack them and the new people think that this is normal and turn out like these trolls. It turns into a vicious circle.

(or at least this is the feeling I got from checking out old posts. I might be totally wrong with this.)

You are

Guess I should give up my dream of being a psychiatrist... Next on the list... Computer Programmer.

Actually, I think Angus Young is pretty close to the mark. When I first joined another gaming community (Which shall remain nameless) I was imediately greeted by flamers and general jerks. Thinking I needed to act that way to join in, I acted much in that way.

Took me a few weeks to figure out it was a bad idea and it carried over to other communities as well.

Still think I should become a programmer instead... I did HTML in middle school and it was really fun.

Just so you don't make the confusion again, HTML is a not a programming language. It's a markup language...hence the name, Hyper Text Markup Language.

HTML is used to denote data(or content if you want) with "markup" that lets the browser know what each piece of data represents. This bit of text is link, or this bit means I want you to load an image. All the programming is in the browser.


I just didn't want you to get confused or disappointed when you finally sat down and learned a real programming language and it was nothing like HTML.

I totally support your move into the programming direction, and I'll even answer questions if you have any. As Munroe said, HTML isn't really programming, but programming does often use a somewhat similar mindset.

Just some things to get out of the way, though...

1) Programming isn't easy. It takes years to get to such a stage where you are able to produce something decently useful. I mean, sure, you'll be making crummy text-based programs in no time... but it's a long road towards _useful_ (often graphical) programs.

2) There are a lot of entry ways into programming -- a lot of languages, a lot of mindsets. I'd suggest that you read around a bit first.

Anyway, as usual, my suggestion is that you start learning Python. Python is a fairly ideal starting language. Here are some reasons:
1) It has amazing basic tutorials. People have really put a lot into the Python documentation. It's plentiful and easy to follow.
2) Python (on Windows) comes with both a nice graphical tool for writing Python code as well as running it. I believe it even does syntax suggestions.
3) Python is able to be written in a number of different ways. It lets you write in an object oriented way, a functional way, the procedural way... so its flexible, which is nice. Different things are suited to different purposes.
4) Python has extremely wide-spread binding support. Meaning, if you ever want to use a "library" with Python, you'll likely be able to. (A library is a program that was created to be used by other programs.)

Anyway, look around and see what you like. Python is my recommendation, but there are other good languages too.

Yeah, our school has a programming course. Has a 2 part beginner course then an "Advanced" course involving Java and C++.

Those are two languages that you should mostly avoid :-/

C++ gives you the ability to make code completely impossible looking. Most of the developers I know hate C++ and would rather use C in any situation.

Java is a piece of crap in every respect. It has no advantages.

Though, if you do have the chance, take those courses. They aren't ideal, but you're going to have to work with them anyway if you do anything in programming. Such is life. At least C++/Java do teach normal programming concepts. Stay _away_ from Visual Basic.net!

Yeah. Trem forums are not for those who are looking for a kind community. Every other forum I am a part of is much more strict with moderation, so much less flames. I still go to the trem forums because there are still some interesting threads once in a while.

Wow.  Looks like we disagree on just about everything code wise.  (Other than VB, stray away from *basic and  *.net)
While I can't really comment on python, I should point out its a scripting language, and as such slow.
Yes java sucks, but you can write code quick, and lots use it, so it must be good for something.

And I like C++.
Yes C is nice, but if your careful you can get some nice code out of C++.  Just have to avoid the idea that *everything* should be a class, with 8 parents, a few templates and etc.  Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Learn C.  Learn C++.  There's enough overlap that you can be good at both without difficulty.  Best tool differs for different jobs.