uh, garoth i apologized and we moved on.
Posted on: February 20, 2008, 02:34:20 PM

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to be perfectly fair though Azrael is the only name i've ever worn with my MG tag

I still vouch for the tutorial idea that would utilize a special local server idea that effectively teaches the basics of alien combat. Interactive human training would be much harder since it would most likely require real AI to be created. Would anyone be interested helping with this project?

Tyranis: it can't happen.

1) That kind of coding would take months, assuming anyone is even interested.
2) Noobs won't be able to connect pre 1.2 because they won't have tjws (for the most part.)

ZEL: I've seen you do it in game to people as well. This was not an isolated incident.

ok garoth, now i'm getting annoyed.

"This is not an isolated incident" are you kidding me?  I've brought it up once or twice in game because several times in the last couple weeks people have mistaken Azrael07 for me.  Its not like i've been going around screaming about it.  If you stumbled across me talking about it with somebody you must have caught it out of context.

you phrased it like i've been going around harassing people or something 

Not aimbots, bots.  Like the AIs you play against when you aren't online against live players.

Now that Ender has taken his ration of sh*t for mistakenly calling his code 1.2, people seem to be starting to accept the incredible work he and Champion are doing.  Check out his training server sometime, create a few bots and have at 'em.  Yes, you could spend your time killwhoring (like lots of people do, sadly), but you could also practice blastering, or flaming aliens without flaming yourself, or jumping while reloading.  The human bots are still too accurate to train against, but they're working on lowering the skill level.

Most of the people dumping on Ender say things like "Tremulous doesn't need your ill-conceived features", or "You're creating a server that's perfect for admin abuse", yet he's implementing things that are being suggested right in this thread in order to allow trainers to set up scenario-based training.  It would be silly to have zero-wait building or a /give command on a real game server, but they are useful in a training environment.  At least give some of his stuff a try before ripping him to shreds.

[No, I'm not referring to Garoth here, he's the friendliest person you could ever run across in a forum.  Others haven't been as nice.]

You've done it to other people with other names that you use also, saying things like, "No, you can't use that here -- too many people know me by that name" and then renaming them. I would understand if they were using your main name, but that's kind of pushing etiquette.

console ftw.

Come on I'm sure ZEL didn't do it to be mean, let's lighten up
How 'bout them binaries...

I know this topic is old but I do have a suggestion. Maybe it wouldn't be inpossible. As a reminder we do have three puretremulous servers. One small, one medium, and one large. I rearly see anyone on medium or small, most people are always in large. Maybe just maybe we can use one of the puretremulous server as a noob server to help out new players. I'm guessing small would be the best. Another thing Amanieu  mentioned, the whole kill whoring part and camping part. Well of course noobs are going to be afraid the first time, who wasen't? I mean your walking and then suddenly a drench or a rant gets you in the hall. If your new thats a big wtf moment if you know what I mean. The point it to teach noobs how to get over this (fear) and not camp in base. If it doesn't help then teach them how to build. Might be better for them untill they get used to the game. Another thing the whole aliens don't need to aim part, not as easy as it looks. Sure humans get it harder when aimming but they do take a lot more dammage then aliens during their stage one and stage 2. Drenchs need to hit human at least twice ( one head shot and one more to finish) to kill them. Baslisk has the grab method and takes about 3 hits to kill a human ( 2 If you hit head). Goon is a bit more difficult but since new players don't know how to use them well it would be great practice for both alien and human players. We could also put up demos on a website dedicated to helping out new players that are new to tremulous. We can post building demos, attack demos, destroying base demos, alien techenics demos, human techenics demos, the basics, goal of game, you know just mostly all the information you can think of that might help the player. This is were this comes in handy. We can tell them were we made this demo. Don't know if you caught on to it yet but if you see new players going on to the site and then seeing something like, " Come to puretremulos servers to learn more and have fun" or something like that well that also helps are little problem with pt being empty. This might help get more people to play on the pt servers. Sure they might be new but we all started somewhere. Sooner or later they will get better and then before you know it they might be even better then us never know. Then pt servers will be full with new and old players and pt will be back to normal like good old times. Another thing about the admin thing. Theirs a lot of responsible admins on the pt servers. I could post something on the pt forums to see if anyone is intrested even though you guys are pretty much part of the pt forums as well but for those who arn't I could make a role of some sort and make a schedule were whos turn it is to watch out, what day, and time. Also who said they can't play. We can show them like a little game of experinced players and show them how the game is played. They can also help them with their training and stuff. Like admin goes human and the new player goes alien. Admin just dodges untill new player gets the hang of it and kills you (that or you can just let him kill you after a while to make him happy). If we all work together maybe we can pull this off. Gonna be hard but short thing simple.

Pros:
1: We already got three pt servers. We could probobly use one.
2: We got responsible admins that are willen to help.
3: Pt has the default maps.

Cons:
1: The whole kill whoring part.


Have:
1: three servers.
2: Admins
3: Loads of players who are willen to help on the pt forums like me.


Need:
1: Maybe Garoth can make a website with all the general tremulous information, pictures, and demos on how to play tremulous, the goal of the game, and what some rules are.
2: Demos. I'll be glad to help make some with other players since I'm good at both killing and building.
3: Screenshots of gameplay.



This is just an idea that I though of. Seems like a good idea to me but I'll let you guys decide.

Similar ideas have been discussed before.
When I started playing I played quite a bit on [HUN]Noob Server (I think thats what it was called).  Of course back then there was a lot less whining etc everywhere.
Should also point out that we can run new servers without killing a current one.
I see two main problems:  No one looks beyond the top of the list, and would take a lot of effort.
If there is someone willing to do that, then It'll get my vote.

Well am willen to post one on the pt forums and see whos intrested and I could keep track of it. Would be a lot of work but if we get more then one person to do this then we could be in great shape. Fustrationg but not hard. We would need the dates, time, days, admins who are willen to volenteer ect. Ouch . Well I'm good for the idea. David well sounds like hes in if theirs someone willen to make a list. Anyone else think that we might pull this off?

I have been discussing the idea of making a website for Tremulous tutorials with some people I know (by this I mean I just sent IMs 5 minutes ago ) and I think it would be cool.

There's also the MG demo project around somewhere, which is waiting for someone to revive it.

Its a sign that we should do this then. We got three people so far that think its a good idea. Still need more though if were going to make this happen. I could probobly make a website. I made one for Nomad today and it looks pretty good. If you want to take a look heres the link.
http://www.freewebs.com/nomadclanforums

Ok, you're on. I can do voiceovers, and i've been considering getting Fraps for a while now. I'll be glad to contribute.

Superpie, Mooseberry and I have been working on a similar project, but we haven't had much (any) time since school started. It would work out very well if you joined up with us or something.

Also, we have a paid website